Other Stained Glass Painting Questions

Stained Glass Painting – General Stained Glass Painting Questions

Here’s where you can post your general questions about stained glass painting.

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Stained Glass Painting Brushes

Doris C., from New York, US, writes and asks us about the kinds of brushes that we use for stained glass painting.

Here’s our list to get you started.

  • Wide narrow brushes for undercoats and overcoats
  • Blenders which are mostly used to move wet paint around on the glass
  • Tracing brushes of various thicknesses for different kinds of line
  • Scrubs and stipplers to make highlights and texture

You’ll find pictures and explanations right here.

You can also download a guide to basic tools and materials from here.

If you want to win some of the brushes that we use, then enter our competition here.

Tracing Brushes

Short-tipped pointed tracing brushes

Short-tipped pointed tracing brushes

We’re often asked about the length of the hairs on our tracing brushes.

Somehow the myth has got around that real stained glass tracing brushes have enormously long tips.

Some brush-makers have even developed a range of “stained glass painting brushes” whose tips are 1.5 inches long (or more).

The plain truth is, long tipped tracing brushes are hard to use.

We only use them when we have to trace very, very long thin lines – say lines which are 18 inches long, and we want to do this in one go.

Other times we use tracing brushes whose tips are a bit less than 1 inch long.

These come in various sizes from small to large. “Small” ones make a fine stroke, large ones make a broad stroke.

Their hairs are made from sable.

For most tracing, you need fine sable brushes whose tips end in a point – exactly the same kind of sable brushes as a water-color painter would use.

Make sure you get high quality brushes.

Wide Narrow Brushes (Also Known As “Hakes”)

hake

Excellent for undercoats and for softening traced lines

Jackie C., from Malvern, England, writes and asks about the make of our wide narrow brushes She says:

“I’m having trouble finding decent hakes. I’ve bought several from local art shops. Some were dirt cheap, and others were not-so-cheap, but they all shed hairs all over the place. Where do you get yours from, pray?”

Let’s start by saying how we use the wide narrow brushes.

Their first use is to paint an undercoat. This is something we cover in Part 2 of our e-book. Their second use is to transform traced lines into shadows. This is something we cover in Part 3 of our e-book.

The best brushes we’ve ever found for both these jobs are called hakes (or sometimes haiks).

Now of course there are many different kinds of hakes. Our hakes are part of the “Ron Ronson” series. They are made by Pro Arte. We use the “large” size. Their item number is 50686452.

These Ron Ronson hake brushes are also used by water-color painters.

So you can ask your local art shop to place an order for you, or you can go online and find a supplier on the internet.

Gold

Becky D., from Stoke-on-Trent, England, asks about gold paint:

“I am currently painting an art nouveau style lady for a centre insert into a leaded light. I’m mainly using antique browns and silver stain, possibly with some coloured enamel details for jewels. Now the customer has asked if it is possible to use gold on the headpeice. Do you know if gold paint is available anywhere? (I can only find hobby paint, and I don’t wish to use that.)”

The answer may be lusters (or lustres). You can use metallic lusters to give your glass the appearance of an object of gold, silver or copper. You can find out about Reusche’s range of lusters right here. (See page 11.)

Lusters are applied and then fired. So a different approach is to use gold leaf, which doesn’t need firing. That’s how we re-created this glass in the servants’ quarters of an English country house.

"Where's my gin and tonic?"

"Where's my blasted gin and tonic?"

(The owners pulled cords, whatever room they were in. Down in the servants’ quarters, the appropriate square would flash. And off the servant would dash. Ah, those were the days!)

Our facsimile is protected by a piece of glass at the front of the box. This is just as well because gold leaf, even with lacquer on top, can easily be scratched. Lusters, however, are permanently fixed by firing.

{ 14 comments… read them below or add one }

Cindy Whitehead June 15, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Would you ever consider using a thin badger as a brush to apply matting? Or should they only be used for softening the matt?

Stephen Byrne June 15, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Hello Cindy,

We’d always say: everyone needs to do whatever works best for him or her. And we ourselves wouldn’t use a thin badger blender in that way. But this follows from our own style of designing. And also from our own experience of the brushes that we have.

On both counts, we think that the Ron Ronson hake is wonderful. As with our other recommendations, we aren’t paid to say this.

We also aren’t paid to say that people in the US can get this brush right here.

I hope this answers your thoughtful question.

All the best,
Stephen

Cindy Whitehead June 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Thanks for the link!

You see, I hadn’t been able to find the one you’d recomended, and the ones I had found here were lacking in quality. So that was why I was wondering about using a thin badger – but now I don’t have to!

Thanks again: you’re the best!

Stephen Byrne June 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM

That’s a pleasure, Cindy. And will you please tell me what kind of service you get from this particular supplier? It’s always useful to know.

Sue Sills September 2, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Is it safe to use painted dishes for food? I understand the hazards of using glass paint, but, once it is fired is it still hazardous to use where food is concerned?

I fire to 675 C in my kiln. This gives me a glossy finish which I would like to use on bowls and dishes, but would not wish to poison anyone! Can you help?

Stephen Byrne September 2, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Hello Sue,

Thanks for your question. Why not have a look at the range of lead-free paints from Reusche? This range comes with a specific set of assurances that may well put your mind at rest.

We ran some tests on this range – please note, though, that these tests did not include eating anything or monitoring for long-term side-effects! – which you can find right here.

I hope this helps.

All the best from us,
Stephen

Sue Sills September 3, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Hello Stephen,

Many thanks for your prompt reply.

I had already read your test on lead free paint and watched your video on mixing paint – both very helpful, thank you.

As I am new to painting and so far only have a small amount of paint, I will now order the lead-free option from Reusche as I am sure I will easily be able to change over to the creamy option, not having much experience with any type of paint as yet! Thank you.

I was so pleased with my frog (from your great e-book) and I am scribbling down ideas all the time.

Hopefully I will get time to develop some too soon.

I have only used water and gum for mixing tracing paint so far. But I was recently told that you can use white vinegar and that it stopped the paint from drying out so quicky, so better for tracing lines: do you know if this is so?

Stephen Byrne September 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Hi Sue,

It’s a great idea to note down ideas and thoughts, just as you are doing. That way you can put your hand on them again when time permits.

Regarding white vinegar, it’s certainly possible to use it for a trace.

Here’s what we think.

I hope this helps. Please always write whenever you have questions or thoughts to talk about.

All the best,
Stephen

Ivo De Croock October 24, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Dear Stephen,

On your website for Williams & Byrne, I found the phrase “fire-polishing”.

Can you please explain this technique?

Thanks,
Ivo

Stephen Byrne October 24, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Dear Ivo,

Thanks for your question.

Here’s what we do.

In the first place, we don’t etch with acid at our studio. (A colleague lets us use their studio for acid-work.)

But we sometimes etch by sand-blasting.

Now the sand abrades the surface of the glass and leaves it rough. So that’s when we “fire-polish” the sand-blasted glass.

We put it in the kiln and fire the glass to about 710 c. / 1310 Fahrenheit. And we soak it there for about five minutes before descending and annealing.

This has two effects. First, it smooths the sand-blasted glass. Second, it softens the line where the sand-blasted glass meets the glass which has not been sand-blasted.

All in all, the glass seems to us to appear more like a liquid than it did before. And, after the fire-polishing, we can paint and stain it as we normally would.

I hope this information answers your question.

All the best,
Stephen

De Croock Ivo October 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Dear Stephen,

I thank you very much for the answer. So far it is all clear to me.

Thinking about it I have some more questions.

Is it possible to remove completely the colour of a plaque glass by sand-blasting?

A sand-blasted surface is mat, can you give it the normal transparency again by fire-polishing? (Then it would indeed be a good alternative to acid-etching.)

I’ll send you by separate mail a design I want to make and would like to know if it is realisable by sand-blasting and fire-polishing?

Thanks for your answer and all the best to you.
Ivo

Stephen Byrne October 28, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Dear Ivo,

Thanks for your comment. Can I please also ask you to send a good and full version of the glass you want to copy. Also the other design. Then I’ll write a post and put it up where everyone can seen it. (At that point, I’ll remove these comments.)

Thank you!

All the best,
Stephen

Ivo De Croock November 3, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Dear Stephen,
Thank you for your comment. My full project isn’t ready yet. As soon as it is ready I’ll send you the information.

All the best to you and David.
Ivo

Stephen Byrne November 5, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Thanks, Ivo.

We look forward to hearing from you again. I am sure that it will make an interesting topic for us to write about.

Always our best wishes to you,
Stephen